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 Post subject: Re: The New MBB HC Search...
 Post Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:03 pm 
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Hope we don't go the "executive" search company route.
Usually it is a long drawn out process that can take up to
a month or more. There needs to be calm but a sense of
urgency. I am sure the vast majority of candidates with interest
or their representatives have already contacted AD Roberts.
Just may be a few on our wish list we need to contact directly.
A search company does a formal offering to the "coaching" community,
contacts candidates directly to gauge interest, present a list of top
candidates to CofC and then we whittle it down to 3 or so
for in person interviews followed with a lot of board of trustee
& negotiating back and forth. A again timing is the key and time
is against us! Usually March is the coach dumping month so their
are many out there looking.


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In the non-athletic coaching world I have used / been part of the process where an exec search outsourcer is used.

You have to be careful. Some play both sides. They may have their own candidates that if they are placed then the candidate pays and the employer also pays. Obvious conflict of interest, but it happens.
These agencies have a list of their own candidates; they are supposed to know the market rates for salaries and have the ability to better vet candidates/help the employer through the process of interviewing/reference checking/etc.

If an employer has a critical hire and the Exec leadership team is in flux and/or new CEO/COO/CFO these agencies are probably worth it. If an employer has a critical hire and the CEO / HR rep has a known list of skills, candidate attributes, etc then these agencies are just more overhead and bureaucracy.

How they work in the college coaching world? I'm guessing very incestuous and the reason to use one is that it provides cover for the person hiring and helps with the communication/vetting process.
Someone mentioned it earlier.....a good AD should always have a contingency plan and always be working on a list of possible candidates for critical hires. Our AD? who knows.


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Since we're on the topic of conflicts of interest, the men's basketball consultant for Collegiate Sports Associates is Dave Odom. Former Wake/South Carolina head coach and father of UMBC head coach Ryan Odom (he of the infamous 16 over 1 upset).


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Ryan Odom would be a decent hire. He makes 425 thousand a year base salary at UMBC though.

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swampcougar1 wrote:
Ryan Odom would be a decent hire. He makes 425 thousand a year base salary at UMBC though.


Agreed.
I kind of overlooked him thinking that he had already moved on.
He can clearly coach and is experienced in rebuilding.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sc ... re-county/

UMBC is a contender with him after being a dumpster fire before.

He would probably be happy to move as well.

A funny little nugget that Odom was a 4 year player at Hamden-Sydney under you guessed it... Tony Shaver.


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 Post subject: Re: The New MBB HC Search...
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Little outside the box but I would give serious consideration to Bryan Hodgson, Nate Oats assistant lead recruiter at both Buffalo and now Alabama. No HC experience and only 34 but the guy can really recruit and Oats is a hell of a coach.


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 Post subject: Re: The New MBB HC Search...
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Win Case has the experience to come in and build a long term basketball program. You do not win the NAIA Championship twice by being lucky and a flash in the pan. I remember how hard Coach Kresse worked and built teams to get a 2nd chance at it. I really like his CV. My support is for Win Case. I believe deep inside he also has the motivation to prove he can build a winner here.


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Hartsell says Ryan Odom IS in play. Would definitely be a step up from UMBC.

http://twitter.com/Jeff_fromthePC/statu ... 3307025411


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Given his dad is the advisor for the executive search company. Well you can put 2 and 2 together.

Only question is Mason also reaching out to him. It's more of a geographic fit.


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 Post subject: Re: The New MBB HC Search...
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Odom would look at us as a stepping stone rather than just a step up.
But maybe virtually everyone would.
Isn't Bobby Cremins' nephew Jonathan making advancement in his coaching career? Nobody else thinking about Amir Abduh Rahim? Anybody talked with Coach Kresse about his opinions?


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Abdur-Rahim has won 1 game and 5 games in his 2 seasons at Kennesaw State. And 3 of his 5 wins this year were against non-D1s. Probably needs another couple of years of decent seasons to even get a sniff from a larger school.


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 Post subject: Re: The New MBB HC Search...
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Jon Cremins is also on Byington's staff at JMU. Not saying he wouldn't take the job, but I think there are better candidates out there.


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 Post subject: Re: The New MBB HC Search...
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hungry wrote:
Odom would look at us as a stepping stone rather than just a step up.
But maybe virtually everyone would.
Isn't Bobby Cremins' nephew Jonathan making advancement in his coaching career? Nobody else thinking about Amir Abduh Rahim? Anybody talked with Coach Kresse about his opinions?


I have pretty much given up on the illusion that we can get a coach here forever.
I mean look at Earl. Charleston guy, Kresse pedigree.
If there was ever a coach that would stay it would be him.
Still he had a couple down years, started feeling the heat and bolted for a lower tier P5 school before the walls came down on him.
BC can double his salary and if he is even modestly successful he has punched his ticket.

I'd settle that CofC becomes the premier mid major job in the Southeast. Top facilities. Top fanbase, etc.

The place where every up and coming talented coach wants work at to go to the next step.

Anyway hopefully we can get some finalist names soon so we arent just obsessing over every little scrap on twitter.


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 Post subject: Re: The New MBB HC Search...
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Curious for anyone that knows who these executive search companies work.
Do they vet and whittle down the candidates to a group of finalists? Do they "make" the choice. Obviously Matt Roberts has final say. Just wondering.

The search company will simply give us names interested with recommendations. Our own committee will review and interview. Search company waste of time and money.
I do not expect any real news before NCAA tourney is over

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 Post subject: Re: The New MBB HC Search...
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Bobby Cremins came in at an awkward time and immediately flew to California to retain Jackson and used his connections to sign Tony White. Then he built on that foundation. We need the next coach working before the NCAA is over to retain and sign.
BTW- lots of people here and elsewhere disparaged the Tony White deal, but he looked plenty quick at first few practices and proved to be so.
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 Post subject: Re: The New MBB HC Search...
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swampcougar1 wrote:
matrojan wrote:
Curious for anyone that knows who these executive search companies work.
Do they vet and whittle down the candidates to a group of finalists? Do they "make" the choice. Obviously Matt Roberts has final say. Just wondering.

The search company will simply give us names interested with recommendations. Our own committee will review and interview. Search company waste of time and money.
I do not expect any real news before NCAA tourney is over


Its not like we'll be picking up a tourney coach or any assistants from those programs so we should get our %%&@ together and land someone before the big guys start looking for second and third options after their "tourney coach" picks choose elsewhere.


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I'll be shocked if we don't have a head coach announced by April 1. That would give him time to work recruits and transfers.


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cofcxc wrote:
swampcougar1 wrote:
matrojan wrote:
Curious for anyone that knows who these executive search companies work.
Do they vet and whittle down the candidates to a group of finalists? Do they "make" the choice. Obviously Matt Roberts has final say. Just wondering.

The search company will simply give us names interested with recommendations. Our own committee will review and interview. Search company waste of time and money.
I do not expect any real news before NCAA tourney is over


Its not like we'll be picking up a tourney coach or any assistants from those programs so we should get our %%&@ together and land someone before the big guys start looking for second and third options after their "tourney coach" picks choose elsewhere.

So no assistants in the tourney would be good candidates or interested in this job. You know this how?

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Steve Wojo from Marquette let go. Wonder if we will kick the tires. Also heard Odum interviewed. Not sure if true-don’t shoot the messenger.


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 Post subject: Names I’m Hearing
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I’ve heard the following names as candidates who we have interest in:

1. Ryan Odum
2. Ed Conroy
3. A Kentucky assistant-believed to be Joel Justus

Not sure how accurate but wanted to share.

Mod note: I moved this into the other thread. No reason to start a new one.


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re: Wojo
Definitely dont love Duke assistants. Though Dawkins was able to get some traction @UCF after failing first @Stanford.

The list.
Odom obviously we know.

Conroy is a guy you put on a list when you are trying to get someone else hired. The executive search committee cant seriously think he would belong as one of the legit top three choices.

Justus- Not a bad resume. Several years under Cal at Uk, previously HS coach in NC.


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 Post subject: Re: The New MBB HC Search...
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I’ve heard the following names as candidates who we have interest in:

1. Ryan Odum
2. Ed Conroy
3. A Kentucky assistant-believed to be Joel Justus


I would argue even interviewing Ed Conroy is a borderline fireable offense.


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 Post subject: Re: Names I’m Hearing
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ATLCoug wrote:
I’ve heard the following names as candidates who we have interest in:

1. Ryan Odum
2. Ed Conroy
3. A Kentucky assistant-believed to be Joel Justus

Not sure how accurate but wanted to share.

Mod note: I moved this into the other thread. No reason to start a new one.


#1. If true. The search committee has a conflict of interest and we know it. The admin knows it and the AD knows it. We PAID a search committee to promote the vendor's son?

#2. If true. Tells me we are going down the path of screwing this up three times. Also, if true checkbooks will close. Are you reading this AD?

#3. I have no info to judge.


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cougarsurf11 wrote:
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I’ve heard the following names as candidates who we have interest in:

1. Ryan Odum
2. Ed Conroy
3. A Kentucky assistant-believed to be Joel Justus


I would argue even interviewing Ed Conroy is a borderline fireable offense.


Conroy's record as a head coach: 141–179. I can't believe we would even consider this.


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